Crossbows
Started by phalanxyrian on Aug 29, 2005 · 41 posts in thread
phalanxyrian (#1)
An other sugestion is : whatabout making the hand crossbows wearble in one hand like a pistol crossbow. I like the idea of fighting with a crossbow in my left hand and a sword in my righthand.
Chilliwack (#2)
the drows from forgotten realms setting in d & d have lil hand crossbows...
phalanxyrian (#3)
well thats what i mean just the lil pisol crosbows so you have one hand clear for a sword axe or w/e.
xaho (#4)
I agree with phalanx cause it is named a HAND crossbow but you still wear it in 2 hands so its a bit useless I also love the idea to have a bit more power so 2 crossbows will do 
chubbukoku (#5)
how do you expect to reload a one handed crossbow, after you've fired it's bolt, if you're wielding a sword or other weapon in your other hand?
thats part of the '2 hands' thing..with the larger ones you need 2 hands to hold it, then reload it..with the samller ones, sure..you might be able to hold and fire with 1 hand..but you still need the second one to reload it.
thats part of the '2 hands' thing..with the larger ones you need 2 hands to hold it, then reload it..with the samller ones, sure..you might be able to hold and fire with 1 hand..but you still need the second one to reload it.
Quintos (#6)
*Invents a crossbow that draws the string by recoil with a clip*
Gilgolad (#7)
actually, its been done, has 3 bolts loaded on top of one another.
Quintos (#8)
The one way I see to do this is if we had a long delay after using a one-handed crossbow. It would be possible to hold a bolt in one hand while also holding a small sword, but it would make both hands unusable for blocking, parrying, or attacking while reloading and drawing the string.
phalanxyrian (#9)
well use it as a single shot crossbow and reload it after you retreated or just make a reapeater crossbow 
Quintos (#10)
A while ago I made a suggestion to have manual reloading weapons such as one-handed crossbows. Some of these weapons would be one handed and allow you to use a sword, or shield, at the same time, while others would take two hands, but possess a great deal of power. There would be a 'load' command for them that would take a few seconds but would use ammunition from either a quiver, or, in the case of weapons with more rare ammunition, the inventory of the character. In order to load the weapon, it would be required to lower your weapons as you do when you drink without a free hand. Of course, these weapons are all either more powerful or more tactical than other ranged weapons.
phalanxyrian (#11)
Yes thats what i actualy mean it would make the figting withour magic a lot more stategic. but if it has to be a repeater crossbow i think u'll have to work with bolt clip's like in dnd.
Micheal (#12)
im pretty sure that in all the crossbows theyve made that they have come across the idea of making a crossbow that would hold many bolts you know like 20 or so and that reload automatically and with 20 or so arrows beign held you prob wouldnt need to reload in the middle of a fight, unless your fighting something that is far too powerful for you in the first place, and then when u finish you are able to "lower your weapon"( as in completely let go of it) and reaload your holder
phalanxyrian (#13)
YEs this are things i also tought up but why inst it possble to wear a crossbow in one hand. it would be verry handy just to hit him with you mellee weapon and if he is nearly dead but he also nearly kills you you run back and shoot him. ofcourse you could also shoot him in the first place then charge him.
Guest (nallath) (#14)
Just make it a one shot crossbow... Yes it is possible to load a light crosbow (i could do it with a 40lbs crossbow) with one hand, but then there is no way you can actually fight with the sword aswell...
phalanxyrian (#15)
Yes that are the corssbows i mean, why dont we have them here.
wouldnt it add way more tactic on fights?
wouldnt it add way more tactic on fights?
weems (#16)
I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
REALISM DOES NOT MATTER. THE GAME IS NOT REALISTIC.
Do not feel bound by the people who always jump in and tell you something is impossible.
News flash! We can already do tons of impossible things in the game.
REALISM DOES NOT MATTER. THE GAME IS NOT REALISTIC.
Do not feel bound by the people who always jump in and tell you something is impossible.
News flash! We can already do tons of impossible things in the game.
phalanxyrian (#17)
I know i Know, but why cant we have crossbows able 2 use one handed?
and if u want it imposseble or nearly imposseble reapiting hand crossbows like the crossbow mechanism n the epic dungeons...
and if u want it imposseble or nearly imposseble reapiting hand crossbows like the crossbow mechanism n the epic dungeons...
Isabelle (#18)
why shouldnt a player have a 1 handed crossbow, allowing them to use dual one handed crossbows..
because you need to reload it.. eventually
i dont care if you have a '50 clip reloader' eventually you will run out and need to reload it, with "two" hands
if your characters race has 4 arms, hey, sounds fine to me, use dual crossbows to your hearts content.
because you need to reload it.. eventually
i dont care if you have a '50 clip reloader' eventually you will run out and need to reload it, with "two" hands
if your characters race has 4 arms, hey, sounds fine to me, use dual crossbows to your hearts content.
weems (#19)
People can already do tons of things while having a big freaking weapon in each hand. In fact, you can do pretty much anything!Isabelle wrote:why shouldnt a player have a 1 handed crossbow, allowing them to use dual one handed crossbows..
because you need to reload it.. eventually
i dont care if you have a '50 clip reloader' eventually you will run out and need to reload it, with "two" hands
if your characters race has 4 arms, hey, sounds fine to me, use dual crossbows to your hearts content.
You just 'lower your weapon'. Thats all. End. If you are going to argue against this idea, use an argument other than realism. Argue against it because you think it would be imbalancing, or lame, or you think its just plain dumb...
But realism? Again, if you think its stupid, try doing some commands in game that would require a free hand in real life, while holding a weapon in each hand. They work. Realism is already LONG gone from Dark-Legacy, never to return.
ShanaArkai (#20)
crossbows can reload themselves, it would be this thing called magic, i think you have heard of it . since it seems to be a big part of the game. it could be an enchantment you put on the crossbow (like enchant weapon, or Holy avenger, only taking up quite a bit of space) that would make it reload on its own, allowing you to dualwield them, and on top of that, depending on how well it is enchanted, it would cause it to shoot faster. there, no realism at all, but then again. neither is magic in the first place
. since it seems to be a big part of the game. it could be an enchantment you put on the crossbow (like enchant weapon, or Holy avenger, only taking up quite a bit of space) that would make it reload on its own, allowing you to dualwield them, and on top of that, depending on how well it is enchanted, it would cause it to shoot faster. there, no realism at all, but then again. neither is magic in the first place
phalanxyrian (#21)
well weems ppl already have big weapns but all ranged weapons are FAR weaker then the most mellee weapons.. by making it able 2 have a 1 handed crossbow you can shoot and weakien your enemy first then use your "big freaking weapon" to kill the enemy..
to: ShanaArkai : you even dont need magic, in the toppic ppl already spoke about the reloader mechanism
to: ShanaArkai : you even dont need magic, in the toppic ppl already spoke about the reloader mechanism
ShanaArkai (#22)
im talking about how issy said you will eventually need a new clip. with magic, it does it itself
Gilgolad (#23)
If you do it with magic, you should have to pay mana for every shot. like 100 mana per round so you cant light up your target too easily.
Chilliwack (#24)
*agrees with gilgolad*
phalanxyrian (#25)
If u use a good techincal solution u dont need mana...
see the repeater crossbow part, u can shoot about 10 bolts then reload.
see the repeater crossbow part, u can shoot about 10 bolts then reload.
weems (#26)
Ranged weapons are not weak compared to melee weapons.phalanxyrian wrote:well weems ppl already have big weapns but all ranged weapons are FAR weaker then the most mellee weapons.. by making it able 2 have a 1 handed crossbow you can shoot and weakien your enemy first then use your "big freaking weapon" to kill the enemy..
to: ShanaArkai : you even dont need magic, in the toppic ppl already spoke about the reloader mechanism
Isabelle (#27)
so, what would be the point of using this form of a crossbow again?
this sounds identical to the arrow spell
if you're going to have an "infinite ammunition, self reloading crossbow" then you might as well have nuclear missiles, and phaser guns.
To address weems, it has little to do with realism, and more to do with drawing a line. (somewhere)
this sounds identical to the arrow spell
if you're going to have an "infinite ammunition, self reloading crossbow" then you might as well have nuclear missiles, and phaser guns.
To address weems, it has little to do with realism, and more to do with drawing a line. (somewhere)
Gilgolad (#28)
the arrow spell can take more mana than just paying for a reload of a regular crossbow bolt.
but i agree with issy, its time to draw the line, any way you slice the issue it all comes down to the fact that it probably wont be done anyways.
but i agree with issy, its time to draw the line, any way you slice the issue it all comes down to the fact that it probably wont be done anyways.
weems (#29)
Thats a much better reason to draw the line! But judging from your last post, it had a LOT to do with realism...Isabelle wrote:so, what would be the point of using this form of a crossbow again?
this sounds identical to the arrow spell
if you're going to have an "infinite ammunition, self reloading crossbow" then you might as well have nuclear missiles, and phaser guns.
To address weems, it has little to do with realism, and more to do with drawing a line. (somewhere)
phalanxyrian (#30)
well if you are a non magic user a crossbow is a lot better, besides with a crossbow you can poison the bolt charge to your weakened foe an slay him...try that with your arrow.
Kiasyn (#31)
*lights his arrow on fire*phalanxyrian wrote:well if you are a non magic user a crossbow is a lot better, besides with a crossbow you can poison the bolt charge to your weakened foe an slay him...try that with your arrow.
Isabelle (#32)
how about this weems, this is more inline with what i meant
instead of using the word realism, we do this:
"It has alot to do with not putting in such absolutely fantastical ideas which totally contradict any notion of real world medieval based mechanics,(on the furthest end of the spectrum) AND, alot to do with drawing a line at not wanting to see the game spiral down into the pit of insanity.
(the line, incidentally, is drawn about 1 foot from a cliff edge, if it's crossed, there may be no hope)
instead of using the word realism, we do this:
"It has alot to do with not putting in such absolutely fantastical ideas which totally contradict any notion of real world medieval based mechanics,(on the furthest end of the spectrum) AND, alot to do with drawing a line at not wanting to see the game spiral down into the pit of insanity.
(the line, incidentally, is drawn about 1 foot from a cliff edge, if it's crossed, there may be no hope)
weems (#33)
Fantastical? Wow, thats interesting, it has the same prefix as the word FANTASY! Perhaps they are related...Isabelle wrote:how about this weems, this is more inline with what i meant
instead of using the word realism, we do this:
"It has alot to do with not putting in such absolutely fantastical ideas which totally contradict any notion of real world medieval based mechanics,(on the furthest end of the spectrum) AND, alot to do with drawing a line at not wanting to see the game spiral down into the pit of insanity.
(the line, incidentally, is drawn about 1 foot from a cliff edge, if it's crossed, there may be no hope)
By the way, if you want to see something absolutely fantastical that totally contracts any notion of real world medieval based mechanics...Check out our inherent magical abilities.
*casts some spells*
Gilgolad (#34)
i think i speak for issy when i say you missed the point
phalanxyrian (#35)
Well one handed crosbows did already exist in the old times... so no fantasy or insantiy (or what ever u want to call it). And a gain i say it it makes combat more stategic (poison someone with a bolt then hit the hell outte your ennemy with your sword or so).
Bruteus (#36)
hey, here is something... wouldent it be harder to defend yourself with a ranged weapon? and even harder with two? I think if you do try and use two crossbows, you are gonna suffer some mobility penalties. oh, btw... dual wielding two self-reloading crossbows... christ, just have celeborn code in some uzis for you. -.- we could just go back to the days of no range weapons, I say yall should be happy with whatcha got, and stop trying to convince immortals to give you ways to break the system. the point isnt that it is possible irl, it is what affects game balance, and as Issy said, this idea would unbalance the game severely.
~Bruteus Lonewolf
~Bruteus Lonewolf
Gilgolad (#37)
He speaketh wisely.
weems (#38)
Exactly my point. It has to do with balance, not realism. Realism is just an excuse.Bruteus wrote:hey, here is something... wouldent it be harder to defend yourself with a ranged weapon? and even harder with two? I think if you do try and use two crossbows, you are gonna suffer some mobility penalties. oh, btw... dual wielding two self-reloading crossbows... christ, just have celeborn code in some uzis for you. -.- we could just go back to the days of no range weapons, I say yall should be happy with whatcha got, and stop trying to convince immortals to give you ways to break the system. the point isnt that it is possible irl, it is what affects game balance, and as Issy said, this idea would unbalance the game severely.
~Bruteus Lonewolf
phalanxyrian (#39)
one last edit: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cw_ag/75476.jpg 
Dyona (#40)
The idea should be posible: U can be able to dual wield em if ur big enough, just like weapons, only the reloading, should be extremely slow, that would make it fair to the other weapons.
So i vote yes to the idea, but with a slow reload because when you go shopping, you have your hands filled but are mostly still able to unlock your door, only it goes unhandy and slow =).
So i vote yes to the idea, but with a slow reload because when you go shopping, you have your hands filled but are mostly still able to unlock your door, only it goes unhandy and slow =).
Zidane (#41)
well that i a nice crossbow but maybe the crossbow in the game maybe has something to do with runewords or how many sockets can a crossbow have? does it have more or less socket then bows? if so why?phalanxyrian wrote:one last edit: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cw_ag/75476.jpg
