as some of you know, last month i changed tridents to be spears instead of exotic weapons. The problem this created is that when crafting, trident is still under the exotic category.
So, i can fix this, i need a new weapon name to take the place of tridents in the crafting department.
Any ideas?
(Note: your existing "crafted tridents" will be changed 'back' to be exotic, and will be given the new name - when we agree on one)
exotics
Started by Isabelle on Nov 12, 2004 · 33 posts in thread
Isabelle (#1)
lingolas (#2)
what do you call those spiky little things that ninjas throw that look like a metallic star disk?
Isabelle (#3)
sherikans or something like that, not a bad idea
Quintos (#4)
Shurikens I believe. But can those server limbs? o.O
Silvanos (#5)
Heaven and Earth Blade: the name sucks but the weapon might fit in.
http://www.martialartsmart.net/4543.html
Or since im assuming a double bladed axe just has one head with two axes blades, how bout a spear with blades on each end or axe heads on each end. Like in Neverwinter Nights, called a dire blade or something? It is considered exotic there as well.
http://www.martialartsmart.net/4543.html
Or since im assuming a double bladed axe just has one head with two axes blades, how bout a spear with blades on each end or axe heads on each end. Like in Neverwinter Nights, called a dire blade or something? It is considered exotic there as well.
Nuitari (#6)
Warblades, those double-sword type things in NWN and that the Demon Hunter uses in Warcraft III.
http://www.battle.net/war3/nightelf/uni ... nter.shtml
http://www.battle.net/war3/nightelf/uni ... nter.shtml
Kiasyn (#7)
Light sabers 
Dourht (#8)
How about Nunchakus? You know the weapon Michaelanglo uses off of Ninja turles.
lingolas (#9)
is that the one that looks like a mini trident?
Silvanos (#10)
nunchakus (spelling?) are the short wooden sticks attached with a chain that Bruce Lee uses to kick ass 
Only problem is that these are blunt.
Raphael uses something called Sai daggers apparently, but these are sort of pierce weapons with a bit of slash damage possibly.
Only problem is that these are blunt.Raphael uses something called Sai daggers apparently, but these are sort of pierce weapons with a bit of slash damage possibly.
Nuitari (#11)
Sword-chucks, yo
They aren't blunt, at least
They aren't blunt, at least
weems (#12)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Nuitari wrote:Sword-chucks, yo
They aren't blunt, at least
This man speaks the truth. <3 8 bit theater.
Sword chucks would kickass, TONS of it. I am all for sword-chucks.
Nuitari (#13)
Sword-chucks would be a great addition to DL. In addition to being really cool, properly wielded sword-chuks cause nearly as much damage to the target as to the wielder. Swords and axes, stand aside.
Isabelle (#14)
k, sword chucks wont work, as i can't code them to deal equal damage to the wielder, and the other ideas havent really jumped out at me as 'yeah! this is the one' except maybe the thing that looks like a klingon battleth 
keep trying
keep trying
Nuitari (#15)
Sword-chucks were a joke, a reference to 8-bit theatre(http://www.nuklearpower.com)
You could use a swallow, like that thing Serge uses in chrono cross(kind of like the demon hunter's blades)
Other possibilities: glaives, katanas(they are a sword, technically, but an exotic one), sword breakers, scimitars(we don't have crafted scimitars, do we?)
You could use a swallow, like that thing Serge uses in chrono cross(kind of like the demon hunter's blades)
Other possibilities: glaives, katanas(they are a sword, technically, but an exotic one), sword breakers, scimitars(we don't have crafted scimitars, do we?)
Hrulgin (#16)
How about the Yue(moon)? Its a chinese weapon that loosk like two crescent moons with the tips facing eachother and overlapped, the outer crescent is a cutting blade, the inner crescent is the handle and the protruding tips are sharp. I'll see if i can find a pic.
Hrulgin (#17)
The best pics i could find are of modern reproductions, but it will give you an idea. The Yue is here called a 'deer antler knife', but the concept is the same:
http://www.martialartsmart.net/4545.html
Also cool would be the Yuen Yang razor:
http://www.martialartsmart.net/45-78.html
Or the Sun and Moon spear Blade
http://www.martialartsmart.net/4548.html
http://www.martialartsmart.net/4545.html
Also cool would be the Yuen Yang razor:
http://www.martialartsmart.net/45-78.html
Or the Sun and Moon spear Blade
http://www.martialartsmart.net/4548.html
Vogar Eol (#18)
Swordbreaker
An exotic weapon designed mostly for parry and disarm, but can cause some nasty wounds too. Generally used as an off-hand weapon.
An exotic weapon designed mostly for parry and disarm, but can cause some nasty wounds too. Generally used as an off-hand weapon.
malkier (#19)
i think the moon blade hrulgin suggested would be a good exotic weapon. It's not so much like a blade that it is mistaken for a sword, and it certainly /looks/ exotic...
plus...the picture's really coooool
plus...the picture's really coooool
Zidane (#20)
Ok i have a few names Pilum, Javelin, Harpoon, Cestus, Voulge, Scimitar, and Spiral all slash weapon types that are exoticed.Isabelle wrote:Any ideas?
(Note: your existing "crafted tridents" will be changed 'back' to be exotic, and will be given the new name - when we agree on one)
Whatever is agreeable
Gilgolad (#21)
Anyone ever read the Zombie Survival Guide? (It's a funny book, not like take it seriously)
In it you will find alot of cool decapitateing weapons like the Shaiolin Spade. A semi-curved blade on one end of a staff, and an outward semi circle spade on the other end. You thrust the Spade end at someone's neck and lop off some heads.
Or what about those daggers atached to a chain that you swing around?
Or what about the sword everyone dreams of? The KATANA! I'd love to own a Katana on DL! Problem would be that you'd have to use restraint when programing that weapon, cause it just rocks in almost all categories. The only thing that should turn a Katana away is metal armor, any wood or cloth should be an instant sever or something. There's probably some drawback to those, I can't think of any off hand, so don't burn me for saying its the best outright.
Oh, and another thing i'd like to see: Black Powder, explosives mainly, not really intending to bring guns into DL, that i understand is what is trying to be avoided, but explosives would be cool. Make it a craft like alchemy. Then make a metal shell in the forgeing craft and make it a combine command like "Combine 'Black powder' 'powder shell' " and get something like a hand grenade out of it. I know we have black potions but they just dont seem to do much. The damage they deal is rather random, so a grenade that would do a mediocre amount of damage would be cool. Give it a blast radius so you have to keep your distance, like 50 feet or something, get too close and pay the price.
In it you will find alot of cool decapitateing weapons like the Shaiolin Spade. A semi-curved blade on one end of a staff, and an outward semi circle spade on the other end. You thrust the Spade end at someone's neck and lop off some heads.
Or what about those daggers atached to a chain that you swing around?
Or what about the sword everyone dreams of? The KATANA! I'd love to own a Katana on DL! Problem would be that you'd have to use restraint when programing that weapon, cause it just rocks in almost all categories.
The only thing that should turn a Katana away is metal armor, any wood or cloth should be an instant sever or something. There's probably some drawback to those, I can't think of any off hand, so don't burn me for saying its the best outright.Oh, and another thing i'd like to see: Black Powder, explosives mainly, not really intending to bring guns into DL, that i understand is what is trying to be avoided, but explosives would be cool. Make it a craft like alchemy. Then make a metal shell in the forgeing craft and make it a combine command like "Combine 'Black powder' 'powder shell' " and get something like a hand grenade out of it. I know we have black potions but they just dont seem to do much. The damage they deal is rather random, so a grenade that would do a mediocre amount of damage would be cool. Give it a blast radius so you have to keep your distance, like 50 feet or something, get too close and pay the price.
Vogar Eol (#22)
Do be wishing ye do be having explosives? Do be using them for sometime meself. Learned thar trick of taking the essence of a black pearl and placing her in a keg of beer form an old gnome with two fingers left. Do be thinking his problem was he used water instead of beer. Magine that... who ever do be hearing of water destroying things? Now a keg of beer... 'ave seen a keg oh beer destroy a tavern or two.
Vogar Eol (#23)
On another note.... Katana's stink. Man with chain mail shirt and a Longsword vs man in chain mail shirt and a Katana. Longsword wins, all else equal.
Quintos (#24)
Unless the man with the longsword forgot to put on his collar and helmet...and it seems like many people I see around the MUD would be the kind of people who do that in real life...Vogar Eol wrote:On another note.... Katana's stink. Man with chain mail shirt and a Longsword vs man in chain mail shirt and a Katana. Longsword wins, all else equal.
Arureal (#25)
On Katanas vs. longswords
You all are correct that a longsword might beat a katana in battle, but only in this modern age. Modern katana copies are made out of the same steel that most other blades are made of, where as the older katanas were made of different grades of steel forged together. I have been lucky in that I have got to use some of these old blades forged by masters that we can not reproduce today, even with our great technology. This forging technique gave them a superior cutting edge, hardened sides and spine for blocking with reduced damage to your blade, and most importantly, no or little vibration from blows transmitted to your hand and arm. But as most people have never fought with real blades and armor from the past, I do not expect them to take notice of these little details. That and the fact that most people I have seen, use a Katana like it was a 2-handed european sword, and could not land a precise blow if their life depended upon it. This might account for the commonly held belief that the longsword would be better than a Katana.
However these old blades forged by masters long dead are hard to come by, the Japanese government has tried its best to get my father to sell his blade to them, as they consider such blades to be national treasures. If you ever come across one, grab it, it may be the only chance you get to own a fine blade. They do make custom blades in Japan that are forged the old way, they are very costly and not as good as the older blades as many of the master smiths secrets died with them, but still better than the common longsword. I have never heard of a longsword that could cleave a man from shoulder to groin in a single blow, but that was the test some master smiths would put their blades to, and if the blade failed, they broke it and made another.
I could go on, but I will refrain, as we do not have the Katana in DL, this really is a mute discussion.
Arureal
High Lord of Lowbies
You all are correct that a longsword might beat a katana in battle, but only in this modern age. Modern katana copies are made out of the same steel that most other blades are made of, where as the older katanas were made of different grades of steel forged together. I have been lucky in that I have got to use some of these old blades forged by masters that we can not reproduce today, even with our great technology. This forging technique gave them a superior cutting edge, hardened sides and spine for blocking with reduced damage to your blade, and most importantly, no or little vibration from blows transmitted to your hand and arm. But as most people have never fought with real blades and armor from the past, I do not expect them to take notice of these little details. That and the fact that most people I have seen, use a Katana like it was a 2-handed european sword, and could not land a precise blow if their life depended upon it. This might account for the commonly held belief that the longsword would be better than a Katana.
However these old blades forged by masters long dead are hard to come by, the Japanese government has tried its best to get my father to sell his blade to them, as they consider such blades to be national treasures. If you ever come across one, grab it, it may be the only chance you get to own a fine blade. They do make custom blades in Japan that are forged the old way, they are very costly and not as good as the older blades as many of the master smiths secrets died with them, but still better than the common longsword. I have never heard of a longsword that could cleave a man from shoulder to groin in a single blow, but that was the test some master smiths would put their blades to, and if the blade failed, they broke it and made another.
I could go on, but I will refrain, as we do not have the Katana in DL, this really is a mute discussion.
Arureal
High Lord of Lowbies
Isabelle (#26)
actually, the katanas do exist in dark legacy, have so for many years
and yes, the strength of a blade, is directly related to the number of times the blade is folded, each fold is very time consuming.
and yes, the strength of a blade, is directly related to the number of times the blade is folded, each fold is very time consuming.
Quintos (#27)
Okay...now some people may not like this idea, but it's worth a try.
As we already have the merchant class planned to come in, why not give merchants special areas that only they can travel to (Note looking back: this might be a pointless idea, it would just cause all serious players to go back and create a merchant...not really benefit the MUD that much)? In that area, they can recieve rare items and enhance these items. This would include items such as katanas. Perhaps in one area, you can perform a quest that will let a blademaster start crafting you these exotic swords.
You would have to supply X ingots of a metal and a large fee 1k per level? 50k at level 50, 550k at e500. Although this may seem like a small fee, my reasons for it come in later. This katana will have slightly higher base damage, a damageroll and attackroll bonus on it equivalent to a decent enchant weapon, and no enchant space, BUT you can bring this katana back to him with a payment equivalent to half of the original payment and Y more ingots of the material it is made from for him to fold the blade again.
You could repeat this numerous times, but there is a slight disadvantage to this. The first time you do it, there is 0% chance of ruining the blade (which could either destroy it, dull it a bit, set it back one fold, or have no real effect, depending on metal, level, and how many folds are in it), but as you keep doing it, it raises by 5% per try. If you get lucky, you can repeatedly fold the blade, making it extremely strong compared to a regular weapon. This would also be increasing the strength of the enchant weapon on it.
Because of the exoticness (is that even a word?) of the blade, your average weaponsmith could not sharpen this weapon. You could only bring this weapon back to the blademaster to have it sharpened (1-5k per percent).
I understand that this is basically an idea only for the rich, but with the removal of enchantable damroll which is rumored to be in the works, it would effectively make weapons which are not extraordinarily overpowered because they would have no other enchants, and (possibly) no sockets (although it would be interesting to see them randomly pop with sockets).
Notes:
The enchant weapon would have to be scaled by level, a level 1 katana with the same enchant weapon a level e500 could get would cause a grossly overpowered weapon for the small cost.
This is simply a quick brainstorm 5 minutes after waking up, please excuse any typos or small oversights, but please point out any flaws you see.
As we already have the merchant class planned to come in, why not give merchants special areas that only they can travel to (Note looking back: this might be a pointless idea, it would just cause all serious players to go back and create a merchant...not really benefit the MUD that much)? In that area, they can recieve rare items and enhance these items. This would include items such as katanas. Perhaps in one area, you can perform a quest that will let a blademaster start crafting you these exotic swords.
You would have to supply X ingots of a metal and a large fee 1k per level? 50k at level 50, 550k at e500. Although this may seem like a small fee, my reasons for it come in later. This katana will have slightly higher base damage, a damageroll and attackroll bonus on it equivalent to a decent enchant weapon, and no enchant space, BUT you can bring this katana back to him with a payment equivalent to half of the original payment and Y more ingots of the material it is made from for him to fold the blade again.
You could repeat this numerous times, but there is a slight disadvantage to this. The first time you do it, there is 0% chance of ruining the blade (which could either destroy it, dull it a bit, set it back one fold, or have no real effect, depending on metal, level, and how many folds are in it), but as you keep doing it, it raises by 5% per try. If you get lucky, you can repeatedly fold the blade, making it extremely strong compared to a regular weapon. This would also be increasing the strength of the enchant weapon on it.
Because of the exoticness (is that even a word?) of the blade, your average weaponsmith could not sharpen this weapon. You could only bring this weapon back to the blademaster to have it sharpened (1-5k per percent).
I understand that this is basically an idea only for the rich, but with the removal of enchantable damroll which is rumored to be in the works, it would effectively make weapons which are not extraordinarily overpowered because they would have no other enchants, and (possibly) no sockets (although it would be interesting to see them randomly pop with sockets).
Notes:
The enchant weapon would have to be scaled by level, a level 1 katana with the same enchant weapon a level e500 could get would cause a grossly overpowered weapon for the small cost.
This is simply a quick brainstorm 5 minutes after waking up, please excuse any typos or small oversights, but please point out any flaws you see.
Kiasyn (#28)
what if both parties already have drawn their weapons beforehand?
Vogar Eol (#29)
Katana was designed to cut. It was designed to defeat soft armours, and curved to be as useful as possible for a long cutting stroke. Most "Duels" with Katana's are over in one, maybe two "cut from the draw" type of strokes: an upper cut from the draw, followed by a powerful down-stroke. Any other true usefulness of the Katana comes from martial training and not from the sword itself.
A weakness of the katana is that it has a flat blade cross-section. The forward edge of the blade has a temper line which will visually show wear the harder portion of steel is. The back of the blade is soft and springy. When the blade is made before tempering it actually has a forward curve, tempering causes a backwards flex, because the edge is froven in an elongated state. The edge is hard, and brittle. To make up for this the back is soft and springy.
Many period katana's that have survived as heirlooms show that the cross-section of the katana is so weak that many can be flexed to the point they retain a bend with just the hands. This shows that the blades are ment more for cutting then for parying. A strong blow on the side of the blade could easily cause it to bend out of straight. This was not too much of a problem since the blade could easily be straightened again.
What does this say? This says it would be a bad choice for stopping a blow from a longsword with a parry. It also says it would be less useful in a lunge intended to defeat heavy armour.
A longsword however is designed equally for lunging, cutting, and chopping. The crossguard finds a use as a war-hammer, and the pummel as a mace. The whole use of the word "Pummel" as to clobber something comes from the practice of winding a hilt out a sword bind to bring the hilt to bear with someplace on the enemy. In short, the blades are locked together so you used leverage to "pummel" him with your pummel.
The longsword is DESIGNED for fighting in armour, both against armour and against un-armoured enemies. Practices including half-swording and grappling can be used to even include the sword in "wrestling" or "hand-to-hand".
When was the last time you saw a Katana used for half-swording? How about used as a lever for grappling? When did you last see a Katana you could effectively use the hilt as multiple weapons?
If a Longsword user (lets say German school) in full european 1400 plate armour were to go against an equally skilled samari in their full armour, my personal bet is on the Longsword.
http://www.thearma.org/photos/Gathering ... mclips.mov
http://www.thehaca.com/Videos/longsword06.avi
http://www.thehaca.com/Videos/abnemen5.avi
A weakness of the katana is that it has a flat blade cross-section. The forward edge of the blade has a temper line which will visually show wear the harder portion of steel is. The back of the blade is soft and springy. When the blade is made before tempering it actually has a forward curve, tempering causes a backwards flex, because the edge is froven in an elongated state. The edge is hard, and brittle. To make up for this the back is soft and springy.
Many period katana's that have survived as heirlooms show that the cross-section of the katana is so weak that many can be flexed to the point they retain a bend with just the hands. This shows that the blades are ment more for cutting then for parying. A strong blow on the side of the blade could easily cause it to bend out of straight. This was not too much of a problem since the blade could easily be straightened again.
What does this say? This says it would be a bad choice for stopping a blow from a longsword with a parry. It also says it would be less useful in a lunge intended to defeat heavy armour.
A longsword however is designed equally for lunging, cutting, and chopping. The crossguard finds a use as a war-hammer, and the pummel as a mace. The whole use of the word "Pummel" as to clobber something comes from the practice of winding a hilt out a sword bind to bring the hilt to bear with someplace on the enemy. In short, the blades are locked together so you used leverage to "pummel" him with your pummel.
The longsword is DESIGNED for fighting in armour, both against armour and against un-armoured enemies. Practices including half-swording and grappling can be used to even include the sword in "wrestling" or "hand-to-hand".
When was the last time you saw a Katana used for half-swording? How about used as a lever for grappling? When did you last see a Katana you could effectively use the hilt as multiple weapons?
If a Longsword user (lets say German school) in full european 1400 plate armour were to go against an equally skilled samari in their full armour, my personal bet is on the Longsword.
http://www.thearma.org/photos/Gathering ... mclips.mov
http://www.thehaca.com/Videos/longsword06.avi
http://www.thehaca.com/Videos/abnemen5.avi
Gilgolad (#30)
Umm...does this mean that no one wants katanas?.....
I understand your point, so how about we make it a rouge weapon? Sneak up behind someone and strike where the least armor is.
I understand your point, so how about we make it a rouge weapon? Sneak up behind someone and strike where the least armor is.
Chilliwack (#31)
scimitars rule all 
phalanxyrian (#32)
u guy's mean sai's the mini tritands.
but what about kama's the mini scytes that are exotics to, or what about battle chains =)
but what about kama's the mini scytes that are exotics to, or what about battle chains =)
Zidane (#33)
well we can always engrave scythes into whatever you want it to be. that cost 100 gold pieces and sever away 
