Ask yourself, what ascendancy would you pick?
Most would say Ooze, behing immune to all criticals second choice would be Lich/Vampire for undead race, only vulnerble to paladins?
The helpfile on Ooze could mention its immune to criticals.
I think also each dragon could be highly resistant to physical damage like 50% and immune to their elemental.
My idea is this, quite simple make ooze criticalled from elemental damage, or holy/occult which would make, Demonology and Angelic ascendancy attractive to pick if you plan to PVP. (NOTE: I still think ooze and lich is too strong, behing immune to criticals! but its a fix in the right direction i think...)
(RP Justification could be that the ties from the deities in the demonology/angelic ascendancy is to strong for the slime to resist... and elemental damage, was just something I remembered from some game that ran ooze immune to every phys damage but vulnerble to elemental damage, but can't do like that game, cause that would ooze to strong none pvp)
Ascendancy balance (Ooze, Dragons, Planar)
Started by Gnawer on May 01, 2007 · 43 posts in thread
Gnawer (#1)
Itachi (#2)
If something is immune to criticals that doesn't mean it's all powerful holy crap im gonna die. Or any sort. Just because it's immune doesn't mean that it has 90% resistance in everything, so if you really have a problem with someone attacking you as an ooze, find their weakness exploit it and destroy them.
And your sugguestion would make dragons overpowered, as they were before cele changed them.
And your sugguestion would make dragons overpowered, as they were before cele changed them.
Gnawer (#3)
It does make it overpowered, considering your can take 10x more damage then a normal race. I'm not discussing on how to kill people. I'm talking about balance of equilant ancestry.Itachi wrote:If something is immune to criticals that doesn't mean it's all powerful holy crap im gonna die. Or any sort. Just because it's immune doesn't mean that it has 90% resistance in everything, so if you really have a problem with someone attacking you as an ooze, find their weakness exploit it and destroy them.
And your sugguestion would make dragons overpowered, as they were before cele changed them.
Chilliwack (#4)
so uhh, how exactly do they take 10x damage? you're talking as if criticals happen like every hit
Tuler (#5)
Most people are paladins, that rapes Lich and whatever else.
Ooze can ONLY hit 1 type of attack; just boost your immune to poison attacks and they lose.
You're too new to be talking... seriously.
Ooze can ONLY hit 1 type of attack; just boost your immune to poison attacks and they lose.
You're too new to be talking... seriously.
Chilliwack (#6)
i know of a poison resistance drain omgz!!
Gnawer (#7)
I'm talking about ascendancy balance, not how to kill someone? So what if I boost acid resistance?Tuler wrote:Most people are paladins, that rapes Lich and whatever else.
Ooze can ONLY hit 1 type of attack; just boost your immune to poison attacks and they lose.
You're too new to be talking... seriously.
Why could one ascendancy get immunity to criticals?
Its a too strong trait, compared to the others, people are either Ooze or Lich, doesn't that tell you something?
Certainly!!
You can kill them even if they are it. But I'm not discussing how to kill someone, understand, this is about balance between ascendancy. Choosing one over the other, and ooze is definitive the favoritism, for a good reason. And I think that reason is, way to strong, to be ignored. Considering what race would you pick, and why?
You defend OOZE cause you dont want it to change, it sounds like. I'm discussing this to give 'alternatives' You seem to be against ideas, bashing me for new? Sorry, but NO' i couldn't care less about Elitism and i'm not shutting up, cause you can't see your wrong and i'm right even if i'm a noobie.
I make suggestions to move this forward PVP and you two just bashes them. Sorry, but no, competative play isn't one hit kills, doesn't work that way. Take the ideas, ponder, whatever dont ever go bashing people for having opinions.
Chilliwack (#8)
increase your acid resistance to 90% and be an ooze yourself, solved
Tuler (#9)
You said you were taking about 1 hit kills (which NEVER EVER EVER EVER happen). So... you are talking about how to kill someoneGnawer wrote:I'm talking about ascendancy balance, not how to kill someone? So what if I boost acid resistance?
Ooze does, but so does construct. Why aren't you complaining about construct? Either because you didn't know (noob) or because maybe you're a construct? Anyways, there are heavy penalties to both (only 1 type of hit and no heal)Gnawer wrote:Why could one ascendancy get immunity to criticals?
Logging Dark Legacy.Gnawer wrote:Its a too strong trait, compared to the others, people are either Ooze or Lich, doesn't that tell you something?
Certainly!!!
Who. 12 characters online.
Who lich. 1 character
Who ooze. 1 character
That shows you that your comment is wrong.
You're talking about 1 hit kills. You can kill ooze if you're a lycanthrope, construct, elf, demonic, troll, normal, human, or whatever you want (I know I mixed everything, I just wanted to show that you can be anything and kill anything)Gnawer wrote:You can kill them even if they are it. But I'm not discussing how to kill someone, understand, this is about balance between ascendancy. Choosing one over the other, and ooze is definitive the favoritism, for a good reason. And I think that reason is, way to strong, to be ignored.
The reason you can't kill an ooze or a lich is because you don't understand the game. You've created a tri-av and you keep getting destroyed by experienced players. I could use my void to kill you as a lich or ooze if I wanted to. I don't like playing the void, but if I wanted to I could.
I have 2 tri-avs. 1 is a demonic/pentagram Dark elf and the other is a Void/Construct. Guess what, I can kill you with either, and before I quit playing and gave my stuff away I could kill a lot of other poeple (currently I'm remaking my eq so I will be able to again soon)Gnawer wrote:Considering what race would you pick, and why?
Nope; I don't want to, but not because I have an ooze (I don't), but because I understand the mechanics of the game and understand that even if someone is an ooze I can kill them easily.Gnawer wrote:You defend OOZE cause you dont want it to change, it sounds like.
The only alternatives you're giving is to destroy every other ancestry in order to accomodate void. This is because you don't know how to play a void properly, or even why to play a void.Gnawer wrote:I'm discussing this to give 'alternatives'
I'm not talknig about elitism here and am not stating that I am elite. I'm saying that I'm experienced, and so are the others who are commenting. You don't understand elitism; I'd advise you to look it up in the dictionary. We're speaking from experience, which is what you lack and what makes you a noob.Gnawer wrote:You seem to be against ideas, bashing me for new? Sorry, but NO' i couldn't care less about Elitism and i'm not shutting up, cause you can't see your wrong and i'm right even if i'm a noobie.
You've made suggestions to pull all PVP back to accomodate voids; this is completely disregarding everything that has been tested and put forth by players throughout the history of DL PVP.Gnawer wrote:I make suggestions to move this forward PVP and you two just bashes them. Sorry, but no, competative play isn't one hit kills, doesn't work that way. Take the ideas, ponder, whatever dont ever go bashing people for having opinions.
There are no one hits, I've never seen a person of equal level 1 hit anyone in the new system (I'm sure it could happen if they weren't wearing any equipment, but even then it'd be near impossible)
I'm not bashing you for your opinions, I'm bashing you because you're trying to suggest things without understand what you're talking about.
Gnawer (#10)
I'm not looking to solve anything, ffs this is in suggestion thread. Not support, call for help. Its easy to think out counters, you guys seem to do nothing but bashing. These are suggestions, for alternative paths.Chilliwack wrote:increase your acid resistance to 90% and be an ooze yourself, solved
Damn you guys are narrow minded.
Tuler (#11)
He's pointing out that instead of changing the game you could adapt to it you bloody idiot.Gnawer wrote:I'm not looking to solve anything, ffs this is in suggestion thread. Not support, call for help. Its easy to think out counters, you guys seem to do nothing but bashing. These are suggestions, for alternative paths.Chilliwack wrote:increase your acid resistance to 90% and be an ooze yourself, solved
Damn you guys are narrow minded.
Crawl into a freakin hole.
Chilliwack (#12)
don't call me narrow-minded ever again, please.
Gnawer (#13)
This is in suggestions, i'm not looking to solve any problems i'm giving ideas. And you come and tell me how I could be doing to avoid it?Tuler wrote:He's pointing out that instead of changing the game you could adapt to it you bloody idiot.Gnawer wrote:I'm not looking to solve anything, ffs this is in suggestion thread. Not support, call for help. Its easy to think out counters, you guys seem to do nothing but bashing. These are suggestions, for alternative paths.Show earlier quoted context
Chilliwack wrote:increase your acid resistance to 90% and be an ooze yourself, solved
Damn you guys are narrow minded.
Crawl into a freakin hole.
Chilliwack (#14)
he's saying it doesn't need changing
Chilliwack (#15)
i demand an irc channel to discuss this REAL TIME
Tuler (#16)
Why should we change the entire game for you? Why not just have 1 player adapt rather than the entire pbase adapt?
Gnawer (#17)
Yeah thats his opinion and he could keep it to himself, he doesn't need to go bashing others opinions or suggestions. I belive it needs changing, cause tell me who picks other combos? Which is the topic of this thread...
In every game the majority of the players pick working classes/perk/race combos. So what if I explored a lesser one, and gave suggestions for improvements.
Just give an IRC server/channel and i'll come argue
Just ask yourself, what class / race / ascendancy would you pick?
And there you have it, there's a reason why ooze is so popular, CERTAINLY like I said before its possibel to kill them, but dont go making some defensive arguments that its not overpowered cause it is, it gets immunity against criticals.
In every game the majority of the players pick working classes/perk/race combos. So what if I explored a lesser one, and gave suggestions for improvements.
Just give an IRC server/channel and i'll come argue
Just ask yourself, what class / race / ascendancy would you pick?
And there you have it, there's a reason why ooze is so popular, CERTAINLY like I said before its possibel to kill them, but dont go making some defensive arguments that its not overpowered cause it is, it gets immunity against criticals.
Gnawer (#18)
Sorry, but I belive all choices in the game could be viable. All could have pro's and con's to make it competative. It is how you create gameplay this is the suggestion thread, i'm not looking for a guide on how to create a good class. There are ways to improve a game to give alternative routes, and this one concerning Ascendancy.Tuler wrote:Why should we change the entire game for you? Why not just have 1 player adapt rather than the entire pbase adapt?
The result why everyone is making picking ooze by itself speaks obviously for itself.
Chilliwack (#19)
irc.freenode.net #argument
Tuler (#20)
Gnawer I answered that. I don't have an ooze or lich or Vampire or Construct. I have a void though and I have a demonic/pentagram/dark elf.
You have no idea what you're talknig about, ignore everyone else's comments and just keep talking. You don't understand anything.
You have no idea what you're talknig about, ignore everyone else's comments and just keep talking. You don't understand anything.
Pintac (#21)
just a quick point here..not everyone chooses lich/ooze..I have 9 alts, ..my ancestries are as follows
1 - Earth Elemental
2 - Mycanoid
3 - Earth Elemental
4 - Angelic
5 - Dragon
6 - Construct
7 - Thrall
8 - Ooze
9 - Demonic
hmm..thats..lets see..errm..ahh..yes..got it..thats 1 ooze, and no undeads...and I bet most people who have a bunch of alts are like that too
1 - Earth Elemental
2 - Mycanoid
3 - Earth Elemental
4 - Angelic
5 - Dragon
6 - Construct
7 - Thrall
8 - Ooze
9 - Demonic
hmm..thats..lets see..errm..ahh..yes..got it..thats 1 ooze, and no undeads...and I bet most people who have a bunch of alts are like that too
Itachi (#22)
Anyways ooze is pretty much only the second best ancestry, lich being the third. So yah it's not the best.
"Most would say Ooze, behing immune to all criticals second choice would be Lich/Vampire for undead race, only vulnerble to paladins?"
You really shouldnt assume what everybody else is thinking when you haven't been here that long.
That and you really are talking about how to kill other people, the whole idea of PVP is to maybe kill other people, so don't try steering away from it when you know you're starting to (or already) be proved wrong. When you're talking about paladins i hope you're not talking about mobs because I'm 100% sure that paladins are other players.
"Most would say Ooze, behing immune to all criticals second choice would be Lich/Vampire for undead race, only vulnerble to paladins?"
You really shouldnt assume what everybody else is thinking when you haven't been here that long.
That and you really are talking about how to kill other people, the whole idea of PVP is to maybe kill other people, so don't try steering away from it when you know you're starting to (or already) be proved wrong. When you're talking about paladins i hope you're not talking about mobs because I'm 100% sure that paladins are other players.
Gnawer (#23)
Do the number crunching, and you will see the potential of an ooze psi/pal/thief over some other class, i'm to lazy to do it for you, but its obvious its damage/damage reduction is skyhigh.Itachi wrote:Anyways ooze is pretty much only the second best ancestry, lich being the third. So yah it's not the best.
"Most would say Ooze, behing immune to all criticals second choice would be Lich/Vampire for undead race, only vulnerble to paladins?"
You really shouldnt assume what everybody else is thinking when you haven't been here that long.
That and you really are talking about how to kill other people, the whole idea of PVP is to maybe kill other people, so don't try steering away from it when you know you're starting to (or already) be proved wrong. When you're talking about paladins i hope you're not talking about mobs because I'm 100% sure that paladins are other players.
Tuler (#24)
thief isn't a freakin choice.
This is why you shouldn't suggest anything.
This is why you shouldn't suggest anything.
Gnawer (#25)
I dont think you can make an bigger ass out of yourself. Well done!Tuler wrote:thief isn't a freakin choice.
This is why you shouldn't suggest anything.
Chilliwack (#26)
but.. thief ISN'T a choice.
Itachi (#27)
"Do the number crunching, and you will see the potential of an ooze psi/pal/thief over some other class, i'm to lazy to do it for you, but its obvious its damage/damage reduction is skyhigh."
Btw i only copy/paste because im too lazy to do quotes.
Anyways, the whole damage/damage reduction thing, that has very little, to extreamly little, to do what the actual build of the character compared to the equipment it uses. You could make a psi/pal/rogue knight/ooze(lich) fight agaist a druid/mage/cleric void construct, and with the proper gear the construct would destroy the lich.
Btw i only copy/paste because im too lazy to do quotes.
Anyways, the whole damage/damage reduction thing, that has very little, to extreamly little, to do what the actual build of the character compared to the equipment it uses. You could make a psi/pal/rogue knight/ooze(lich) fight agaist a druid/mage/cleric void construct, and with the proper gear the construct would destroy the lich.
Tuler (#28)
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Gnawer (#29)
Your bringing up complete irrelevant comparision, 'with proper gear' This is completly irrelevant to compare. I am not discussing equipment here. This is ascendancies.Quote:Anyways, the whole damage/damage reduction thing, that has very little, to extreamly little, to do what the actual build of the character compared to the equipment it uses. You could make a psi/pal/rogue knight/ooze(lich) fight agaist a druid/mage/cleric void construct, and with the proper gear the construct would destroy the lich.
This too is out of topic, but if you think just cause i played a 'lesser' class i dont have a say you realy dont know what your talking about, Tuller, Chilli, there couldn't be no lesser class in a game, there could be balance with pros and cons, of similar value.
Compare lich, ooze, construct, vampire to the other ascendancies, they fall short.
You dont stick in, if you have X gear, and the other have Y gear. Resistances is another issue and torrim's solution for that is good, I belive.
You take what makes a class the strongest and compare it to others, then take disvantages and compare it to others.
What rivals critical immunity? - Nothing, there are 4 classes that get it and each of diffrent disvantages but do they come close to the other classes? Not at all, certainly you can argue about which is on top, but the 4 of the classes is and its not very balanced at all, thats why you dont see many other races as 'main alts'
You can't just come up with a who list, and say i am completly wrong, cause people have so many alts and they play many diffrent chars, so coming in denying it is just wrong. Compare it to others....
Mindflayer, thrall, myconite, dragons, planar, etc..
Most of the top player there is have their main alt as one (If I said all, you would come up with some rare exception, but fuck off now, i'm no longer gona argue about this cause its so obvious.)
If you calculate damage potential you can take small steps into calculating it
One is speed (speed boosts)
Second is criticals (ascendancy)
Lets say if Iris is wielding a emeralite sword and is ooze ond is a swashbuckler with speedboosts
You note down the damage per second!
Then compare it to another class, example Deep gnome, Earth elemental, with emeralite sword and swashbuckler or some other class.
Ooze will be doing 10x more damage cause hes immunity to criticals and deep gnome is not....
You dont say lets one get acid immunity, and I have full bypass on the ooze, such comparisions is completly faulty. So fuck off with them already i'm no longer gona argue this cause there doesn't seem to be a person with enough sence around here.
Chilliwack (#30)
he's telling you that the ascendancy doesn't matter, it is very relevantGnawer wrote:Your bringing up complete irrelevant comparision, 'with proper gear' This is completly irrelevant to compare. I am not discussing equipment here. This is ascendancies.
also you're talking as if emeralite is extremely common
also you keep throwing in vampyr with ancestries that you think are "far superior". vampire sucks ASS
Gnawer (#31)
What the fuck is wrong with you? This topic is about ascendancies nothing elseChilliwack wrote:he's telling you that the ascendancy doesn't matter, it is very relevantGnawer wrote:Your bringing up complete irrelevant comparision, 'with proper gear' This is completly irrelevant to compare. I am not discussing equipment here. This is ascendancies.
also you're talking as if emeralite is extremely common
also you keep throwing in vampyr with ancestries that you think are "far superior". vampire sucks ASS
Emeralite was a example, you can take 2x criticals and still reach higher damage potential. (The rarite of the material, is also completly irrelevant cause we are not discussing, crafting)
So keep your opinion about Vampyr, it still gets critical immunity and reach higher damage potential then the other ascendanes with exception of the others with critical immunity. I was mainly discussing Ooze, Lich and you keep jumping on me for each fucking example I make. ITS an example.
Gnawer (#32)
You guys dont know how to do a comparision, you just derail it and think of other counters, which is completly irrelevant to the discussion these suggestions was for ascendancies.
Gnawer (#33)
And when you do a comparision you take into account the max damage it can do for damage per second, first.
Which is emeralite.
Which is emeralite.
Gnawer (#34)
I'm no longer gona lecture you have to make a comperision, these suggestions was for ascenandies and topic could stick to it.
I'm done arguing about it, its not gona lead anywhere i've said what i wanted to propose.
I'm done arguing about it, its not gona lead anywhere i've said what i wanted to propose.
Tuler (#35)
This is what I mean, they're bringing up something that's relevant to the cons so you say "it's not relevant" this is why I don't want to talk to you anymore and why I hope you slip and fall.
Dood, what about dragonform? You think a lich can take a dragonformed dragon ancestry? (when they work) I VERY MUCH doubt it.
If you take all the equipment away from ancestries and compare them straight up, some /will/ have an advantage in COMBAT. What about magic casters like demonic or angelic? You take an ooze against someone who's a supreme magic and guess what, they're crit resis aren't going to mean anything.
This is the issue with you playing only physical chars. You /only/ compare physical, and not magical as well. Everything has their balance and when you compare the ancestries with n othing else they'll seem strange because they don't all have only physical ups, the ooze can only attack with ois effect, you use equipment to get 90% resistance and you'll be hitting 90x harder than they are.
You can't just compare the basics of each, you have to take into consideration other effects that come into play (such as the ooze above) and vampyr does suck.. even with crit resis, I encourage you to play one and find out how bad it sucks...
EDIT: oh here's a void example. Take an ooze/pixie/pentagram against a void... they can be spelled up all they want, but if you have 90% ois resis and they don't, they're screwed, even with their faster attacks. But I do agree that void should have some sort of speedup because they are too slow to be of much use in the game. However I don't agree that we should slow down everyone else, I think we should speed up voids.
Also, stop swearing at people, you're going to get banned for that. and that's not trying to belittle you, that's helpful and friendly advise.
Dood, what about dragonform? You think a lich can take a dragonformed dragon ancestry? (when they work) I VERY MUCH doubt it.
If you take all the equipment away from ancestries and compare them straight up, some /will/ have an advantage in COMBAT. What about magic casters like demonic or angelic? You take an ooze against someone who's a supreme magic and guess what, they're crit resis aren't going to mean anything.
This is the issue with you playing only physical chars. You /only/ compare physical, and not magical as well. Everything has their balance and when you compare the ancestries with n othing else they'll seem strange because they don't all have only physical ups, the ooze can only attack with ois effect, you use equipment to get 90% resistance and you'll be hitting 90x harder than they are.
You can't just compare the basics of each, you have to take into consideration other effects that come into play (such as the ooze above) and vampyr does suck.. even with crit resis, I encourage you to play one and find out how bad it sucks...
EDIT: oh here's a void example. Take an ooze/pixie/pentagram against a void... they can be spelled up all they want, but if you have 90% ois resis and they don't, they're screwed, even with their faster attacks. But I do agree that void should have some sort of speedup because they are too slow to be of much use in the game. However I don't agree that we should slow down everyone else, I think we should speed up voids.
Also, stop swearing at people, you're going to get banned for that. and that's not trying to belittle you, that's helpful and friendly advise.
Gnawer (#36)
You can't compare something that doesn't exist right now, so dont bring up some fictional argument. I'm sure dragon forms will be balanced to match anscestries there are for _NO_ reason one anscestry could be superior.Quote:This is what I mean, they're bringing up something that's relevant to the cons so you say "it's not relevant" this is why I don't want to talk to you anymore and why I hope you slip and fall.
Dood, what about dragonform? You think a lich can take a dragonformed dragon ancestry? (when they work) I VERY MUCH doubt it.
And here you go again saying i'm a void I dont have a say, but this is irrelevant cause its DPS, Damage per second, that counts when doing these comparisions. Its the same calculation for physical and magic, you count how much damage per second you do. You can do other types of damage then OIS as ooze so its irrelevant.Quote:If you take all the equipment away from ancestries and compare them straight up, some /will/ have an advantage in COMBAT. What about magic casters like demonic or angelic? You take an ooze against someone who's a supreme magic and guess what, they're crit resis aren't going to mean anything.
This is the issue with you playing only physical chars. You /only/ compare physical, and not magical as well. Everything has their balance and when you compare the ancestries with n othing else they'll seem strange because they don't all have only physical ups, the ooze can only attack with ois effect, you use equipment to get 90% resistance and you'll be hitting 90x harder than they are.
You can do other type of damage as ooze, and now your assuming one will have better gear and the other will have crappy again, which makes a faulty comparision.Quote:You can't just compare the basics of each, you have to take into consideration other effects that come into play (such as the ooze above) and vampyr does suck.. even with crit resis, I encourage you to play one and find out how bad it sucks...
EDIT: oh here's a void example. Take an ooze/pixie/pentagram against a void... they can be spelled up all they want, but if you have 90% ois resis and they don't, they're screwed, even with their faster attacks. But I do agree that void should have some sort of speedup because they are too slow to be of much use in the game. However I don't agree that we should slow down everyone else, I think we should speed up voids.
This is a complete diffrent topic from voids, so keep it seperate i've posted my suggestions for void there.
Tuler (#37)
With ooze all attacks act as if imbuned with an ois rune, therefore no other types... Read the information on ooze.
Magic and physical damage is completely different, so is the wait times for casting and attacking.
What I'm saying is that if you compare all ancestries based on physical combat there will be differences, but why would you do that? The game is not based only on physical combat, there are many other parts of this game.
Are you wanting all ancestries to be equal in physical combat?
Magic and physical damage is completely different, so is the wait times for casting and attacking.
What I'm saying is that if you compare all ancestries based on physical combat there will be differences, but why would you do that? The game is not based only on physical combat, there are many other parts of this game.
Are you wanting all ancestries to be equal in physical combat?
Gnawer (#38)
You swing A generic sword at a rabid squirrel!Tuler wrote:With ooze all attacks act as if imbuned with an ois rune, therefore no other types... Read the information on ooze.
Magic and physical damage is completely different, so is the wait times for casting and attacking.
What I'm saying is that if you compare all ancestries based on physical combat there will be differences, but why would you do that? The game is not based only on physical combat, there are many other parts of this game.
Are you wanting all ancestries to be equal in physical combat?
[swords raises by 0.6% and is now 2.8%]
... and strike its head!
... You cause 14 damage +(acid, poison).
This is from using Ooze, so its very much possible to change damage type for it, Do you know what DPS is? Balance/spellcooldown is irrelevant cause its already counted by using DPS, its how you balance classes.
Certainly you have pros & cons of each, but the dps could be similar.
(Damage per second)
Chilliwack (#39)
notice how it's still doing acid? so sure it might do slightly more, but you're ALWAYS doing some sort of acid damage, regardless of what runes are in a weapon, or what spells you're casting
Itachi (#40)
You guys really dont need to be replying to anything else he's saying, anybody who's played for a month or so will know 99% of what he's saying is backed up with the exactly wrong information. Ignore him, it's like a mosquito, it bites you, bothers you, but eventually flies away to get zapped by a bug zapper.
Itachi (#41)
"This topic is about ascendancies nothing else"
"Lets say if Iris is wielding a emeralite sword and is ooze ond is a swashbuckler with speedboosts"
We all know that emeralite swords/ swashbuckler are asendancies.
"One is speed (speed boosts)
Second is criticals (ascendancy)"
Speed bostes, you gain more through other ancestries then ooze. Yes, criticals happen from every hit, all the time, resistances of armor and weapons have no effect at all.
"Then compare it to another class, example Deep gnome, Earth elemental, with emeralite sword and swashbuckler or some other class. "
Earth elemental is the best class evar. So is an emeralite sword.
"Ooze will be doing 10x more damage cause hes immunity to criticals and deep gnome is not...."
Sorry, forgot that oozes get 10x criticals for every hit and that there's no such thing as a heal spell or regeneration spell.
I'm done, seriously kid shut the hell up, you have no idea what you're talking about ever all you do is complain and complain and say you're throwing ideas in when you're really just ignore what's actually there. So go away anybody that matters doesn't want to listen to you.
"Lets say if Iris is wielding a emeralite sword and is ooze ond is a swashbuckler with speedboosts"
We all know that emeralite swords/ swashbuckler are asendancies.
"One is speed (speed boosts)
Second is criticals (ascendancy)"
Speed bostes, you gain more through other ancestries then ooze. Yes, criticals happen from every hit, all the time, resistances of armor and weapons have no effect at all.
"Then compare it to another class, example Deep gnome, Earth elemental, with emeralite sword and swashbuckler or some other class. "
Earth elemental is the best class evar. So is an emeralite sword.
"Ooze will be doing 10x more damage cause hes immunity to criticals and deep gnome is not...."
Sorry, forgot that oozes get 10x criticals for every hit and that there's no such thing as a heal spell or regeneration spell.
I'm done, seriously kid shut the hell up, you have no idea what you're talking about ever all you do is complain and complain and say you're throwing ideas in when you're really just ignore what's actually there. So go away anybody that matters doesn't want to listen to you.
Tuler (#42)
Chilliwack, remove all of the threads please, they've turned into nothing but flamewars.
If he chooses to repost any of them he can do so, but he should be warned that unless they're backed with relevant information they'll be removed.
Danke.
If he chooses to repost any of them he can do so, but he should be warned that unless they're backed with relevant information they'll be removed.
Danke.
Chilliwack (#43)
i don't think i'll move it, but i will lock it because everything's already been said and nobody's making new points, just stating that one person sucks, the other person is making irrelevant points, and some other person laughing and killing another person.
if i feel like it/am told to i'll delete the flame posts
if i feel like it/am told to i'll delete the flame posts
