game economy...doomed to failure?
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Anywhoooo.......back to topic.
Has anyone considered yet what's going to happen to the players who are abuntantly rich now as a result of the previous chests? There are several players with millions and here's the thing, we fix the economy - then players are still rich and unless they are given permission to purchase a guild which would put a nice dent into their bank account, they will forever remain rich.
Why is this a concern? Because from posts I have read, correct me if I am wrong, but the goal to fixing the economy is just that - to bring back a balance - mentioned solutions were: crafters can reduce their prices, items and resources will be returned to their value...but I don't see this happening. Economy won't necessarily be restored. There are still way too many people with gold to spend and then Celeborn mentioned that with the upcoming patch - those players who benefited from the mines will keep their money. And I totally agree with that - it wouldn't be fair to take the money away. However, I don't see the economy restoring itself as quickly as people think. I would like to hear some opinions on this, perhaps I am not seeing the big picture here.
Anywhoooo.......back to topic.
Has anyone considered yet what's going to happen to the players who are abuntantly rich now as a result of the previous chests? There are several players with millions and here's the thing, we fix the economy - then players are still rich and unless they are given permission to purchase a guild which would put a nice dent into their bank account, they will forever remain rich.
Why is this a concern? Because from posts I have read, correct me if I am wrong, but the goal to fixing the economy is just that - to bring back a balance - mentioned solutions were: crafters can reduce their prices, items and resources will be returned to their value...but I don't see this happening. Economy won't necessarily be restored. There are still way too many people with gold to spend and then Celeborn mentioned that with the upcoming patch - those players who benefited from the mines will keep their money. And I totally agree with that - it wouldn't be fair to take the money away. However, I don't see the economy restoring itself as quickly as people think. I would like to hear some opinions on this, perhaps I am not seeing the big picture here.
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we won't be taking the money away, and we have spent a fair amount of time considering what to do.
which is why we first have the currency patch
and then we have things that players can purchase (such as custom race names and the like) which 'they will want to buy' knowing that it is mostly to clear out large coin.
celeborn posted a note asking for a list of ideas players would like to purchase - along the lines of custom race names and such - nobody has given him any ideas yet. - and i'm sure he would be willing to hear more.
which is why we first have the currency patch
and then we have things that players can purchase (such as custom race names and the like) which 'they will want to buy' knowing that it is mostly to clear out large coin.
celeborn posted a note asking for a list of ideas players would like to purchase - along the lines of custom race names and such - nobody has given him any ideas yet. - and i'm sure he would be willing to hear more.
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In reality, the number of players with millions of gold isn't that great. But I agree, the DL upperclass has nothing to spend their coin on.Nellwyn wrote:Has anyone considered yet what's going to happen to the players who are abuntantly rich now as a result of the previous chests? There are several players with millions and here's the thing, we fix the economy - then players are still rich and unless they are given permission to purchase a guild which would put a nice dent into their bank account, they will forever remain rich.
The core issue is that many patches with no overal design plan for economy have weakened its design severely. A strong design will not automatically fix and prevent all issues, but it will be a great improvement over our current situation.Nellwyn wrote:Why is this a concern? Because from posts I have read, correct me if I am wrong, but the goal to fixing the economy is just that - to bring back a balance - mentioned solutions were: crafters can reduce their prices, items and resources will be returned to their value...but I don't see this happening. Economy won't necessarily be restored. There are still way too many people with gold to spend and then Celeborn mentioned that with the upcoming patch - those players who benefited from the mines will keep their money. And I totally agree with that - it wouldn't be fair to take the money away. However, I don't see the economy restoring itself as quickly as people think. I would like to hear some opinions on this, perhaps I am not seeing the big picture here.
The patch will increase the value of items for both players AND NPC's, decrease the circulation time of objects, and allow more ways to spend your hoarded gold (What about a fun reincarnation as an undead and waking up in a chest deep underground, or buying a very expensive new spell, wouldn't that be worth a few emeralite coins, yay!).
But I agree, even with binding it will take a while for all the excess items to leave the game. I'm fine with this. People gathered those items with their own time and they should be able to choose what they do with them.
I'd like to see more people start charging for heals and resurrects. Make Corpses only retrievable from a certain CR service, have clerical stands that sell buffs (like haste, str, vigilance, etc) that last longer than anyone elses and are more powerful than anyone elses, these would also cost money.
Cost of CR: 1,000 plus 1,000 per level. This way when people like Chubbukoku died it'd suck down a lot of cash.
---Avestifal
Cost of CR: 1,000 plus 1,000 per level. This way when people like Chubbukoku died it'd suck down a lot of cash.
---Avestifal
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Thanks for the help everone.
Thank you Lingolas for your long rant, I now see your point. And I quote ‘If you look at all the values, equ have gotten better and stronger but yet they keep on getting cheaper and cheaper. Some items have dropped by couple hundred percent.’ You are correct, new powerful armor and weapons should not be cheaper than what they replace.
I know also know why I believed that prices have rose. It is mainly at the time that I joined, prices were low, due to the small player base and an overabundance of mob eq in shops. In just a few months from the time I joined, this started to change. I am an old fart, and the memory isn’t what it used to be, but I think it was about 2 or so years before the current craft system came in. Under the old system, I saw staves of Alora go as high as 60K on the auction before the change, from the 10K they were going for when I first got the auction at 28th level. I had no idea they were only worth 5K now. So I have seen prices climb, but I think it is because I joined at a time when prices were abnormally or temporarily low.
I missed the bug in the mining chests, as I have not had a computer for about 3 months so I know less then you Lingolas on its effect on the economy. Not that I get to play much anyway, my daughter hogs all the DL time at home. This also limits my view of the economy to short little snapshots that may not truly reflect what is happening. Thanks again for your help in this matter, I have a clearer picture now of the supply and demand aspect of eq in our game.
There have also been a number of other posts since my first that has also been very helpful. Thanks Celeborn, Isabelle, and Nellwyn for your posts also.
I know also know why I believed that prices have rose. It is mainly at the time that I joined, prices were low, due to the small player base and an overabundance of mob eq in shops. In just a few months from the time I joined, this started to change. I am an old fart, and the memory isn’t what it used to be, but I think it was about 2 or so years before the current craft system came in. Under the old system, I saw staves of Alora go as high as 60K on the auction before the change, from the 10K they were going for when I first got the auction at 28th level. I had no idea they were only worth 5K now. So I have seen prices climb, but I think it is because I joined at a time when prices were abnormally or temporarily low.
I missed the bug in the mining chests, as I have not had a computer for about 3 months so I know less then you Lingolas on its effect on the economy. Not that I get to play much anyway, my daughter hogs all the DL time at home. This also limits my view of the economy to short little snapshots that may not truly reflect what is happening. Thanks again for your help in this matter, I have a clearer picture now of the supply and demand aspect of eq in our game.
There have also been a number of other posts since my first that has also been very helpful. Thanks Celeborn, Isabelle, and Nellwyn for your posts also.
Re: Thanks for the help everone.
No thanks for the thread *CREATOR*!?!? Pfft...Arureal wrote:Thank you Lingolas for your long rant, I now see your point. And I quote ‘If you look at all the values, equ have gotten better and stronger but yet they keep on getting cheaper and cheaper. Some items have dropped by couple hundred percent.’ You are correct, new powerful armor and weapons should not be cheaper than what they replace.
I know also know why I believed that prices have rose. It is mainly at the time that I joined, prices were low, due to the small player base and an overabundance of mob eq in shops. In just a few months from the time I joined, this started to change. I am an old fart, and the memory isn’t what it used to be, but I think it was about 2 or so years before the current craft system came in. Under the old system, I saw staves of Alora go as high as 60K on the auction before the change, from the 10K they were going for when I first got the auction at 28th level. I had no idea they were only worth 5K now. So I have seen prices climb, but I think it is because I joined at a time when prices were abnormally or temporarily low.
I missed the bug in the mining chests, as I have not had a computer for about 3 months so I know less then you Lingolas on its effect on the economy. Not that I get to play much anyway, my daughter hogs all the DL time at home. This also limits my view of the economy to short little snapshots that may not truly reflect what is happening. Thanks again for your help in this matter, I have a clearer picture now of the supply and demand aspect of eq in our game.
There have also been a number of other posts since my first that has also been very helpful. Thanks Celeborn, Isabelle, and Nellwyn for your posts also.
Re: Thanks for the help everone.
*holds up a peace sign*weems wrote: No thanks for the thread *CREATOR*!?!? Pfft...
~ Nellwyn Dro'han, Queen - Kingdom of Cargonia, Mark of the Sun Dragon ~
Celeborn, you've run an amazing mud. I hope you get to read this. I believe right now, your main problem on DL is poor managment. The current immortals are not what people enjoy being around. Beg to differ if you must. Things were much better before, even when there were less 'things to do' (crafts, etc).
That's why DL is going kaput. Look at the Pbase now. Compare it to when 30-40 players would be on at a time.
That's why DL is going kaput. Look at the Pbase now. Compare it to when 30-40 players would be on at a time.
