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AlphaOmega206: i dont know, damage will always be useful, but AR will help me get the crits
moralsareforme: you need 20 AR per crit though
AlphaOmega206: AR is especially important now especially since everyon's mobility just sky rocketed
moralsareforme: peoples mobility should be higher
moralsareforme: im gonna have to talk to cele again
moralsareforme: its still easy as **** to sever people
moralsareforme: but thats not the real problem, its capped
AlphaOmega206: i dont know what to enchant nex
AlphaOmega206: what do you think i should do?
moralsareforme: i dont know
moralsareforme: i really dont
AlphaOmega206: if mobility is not cap, someone like me can get 300 mobility and no mobs will ever touch me
AlphaOmega206: except for ones that use magic
AlphaOmega206: mobility cap is nessarry
moralsareforme: no it isnt
moralsareforme: then somebody like you could also get 300 AR
moralsareforme: and counter it
moralsareforme: and then people could hit you
moralsareforme: the cap is not needed
AlphaOmega206: i'm talking about mob
moralsareforme: so?
moralsareforme: you would suck offensivly if you had 300 mobility
AlphaOmega206: how are mobs gonna hit a peson with 300 mob?
moralsareforme: they cant even hit somebody with 90 mob
moralsareforme: so thats a moot point
moralsareforme: and you can GET 90 mob
AlphaOmega206: i think mobility should be tone down, same as chances of servering
moralsareforme: dude
moralsareforme: thats STUPID
moralsareforme: think about
moralsareforme: it
moralsareforme: its already IMPOSSIBLE to have a defensive character
moralsareforme: you just CANT DO IT
moralsareforme: its STUPID
moralsareforme: i CANNOT, even if i wanted to, have a defensive character
AlphaOmega206: i dont like the idea that mobs cant hit us
moralsareforme: they ALREADY cant hit us
AlphaOmega206: exactly
moralsareforme: if i tried to make a defensive character
moralsareforme: he would just get severed INSTANTLY by players
moralsareforme: even with 100 mobility
moralsareforme: which is the cap
moralsareforme: AR is INFINITLY more powerful than mobility
moralsareforme: in every way
moralsareforme: thats not balanced.
AlphaOmega206: maybe it is supposed to be that way
AlphaOmega206: maybe mobility is not supposed to be as good as AR
moralsareforme: no
moralsareforme: that would be retarded
moralsareforme: are you saying offense should always be better than defense?
moralsareforme: first sever always wins?
moralsareforme: and since you cant defend
moralsareforme: its just whoever happens to get the first attack in
moralsareforme: since every attack will ALWAYS be a sever
AlphaOmega206: i didnt say that
moralsareforme: thats how it is right now.
AlphaOmega206: i think mobility should be tone down so that mobs can hit us. I also think that chances of severing should be tone down also that way we dont have one hit sever situation
moralsareforme: would be the same problem
moralsareforme: whoever happens to pound on the other guy the most first wins
moralsareforme: most damage roll wins
moralsareforme: most hp wins
moralsareforme: great
moralsareforme: no such thing as defense
moralsareforme: count me out.
moralsareforme: i want to be able to defend.
AlphaOmega206: resistances
moralsareforme: thats not a defense, EVERYBODY has those



AlphaOmega206: they should make dodge manual
AlphaOmega206: instead of attacking a player have the option to dodge
AlphaOmega206: or defend
AlphaOmega206: when you're hit while you are defending, everything is 50% off
moralsareforme: that could be cool
moralsareforme: but i still want a character thats just
moralsareforme: able to dodge
moralsareforme: shrug
moralsareforme: and DODGE for real
moralsareforme: i hate ALWAYS being hit
moralsareforme: EVERY SINGLE TIME
moralsareforme: ALWAYS
moralsareforme: heck, you could consistently hit somebody with 120 mobility, let alone 90
AlphaOmega206: perhaps, we should have these options in battle:
jab, thrust, lunge, spin, multistrike, retreat, advance, defend, dodge, flee, bash, cast...
AlphaOmega206: all manual
moralsareforme: that would be fun
AlphaOmega206: so if you dont want to hit, you can defend or dodge
AlphaOmega206: someting like 60% successful rate
moralsareforme: how about
moralsareforme: you type dodge
moralsareforme: and then you start 'dodging'
AlphaOmega206: no
moralsareforme: and you get an instant bonus to mobility
moralsareforme: but if you attack
moralsareforme: its instantly gone
moralsareforme: and you get a PENALTY to mobility as you leave the 'dodging' state
AlphaOmega206: when you type dodge, you do nothing and when the other person hit you you dodge.
AlphaOmega206: if you are successful
moralsareforme: no i dont like that
moralsareforme: it sounds too random
moralsareforme: what if my character was really really good at dodging?
moralsareforme: or really really bad?
moralsareforme: wouldnt the percent be different depending on the situation?
AlphaOmega206: i'm sure we can come up with somekind of gradient for the dodging skill, maybe rogue can level up dodging to 90% while cleric have only 30% dodging max.
AlphaOmega206: something of that sort
moralsareforme: oh a skill?
moralsareforme: i dont like that
AlphaOmega206: turn it into a skill
moralsareforme: it should be based on mobility
AlphaOmega206: cuz some classes can dodge better than others
AlphaOmega206: it could be a combo of both
AlphaOmega206: mobility and skill %
AlphaOmega206: mobility + skill +luck
moralsareforme: hrm
AlphaOmega206: cuz a cleric should not be able to dodge as well as a rogue
AlphaOmega206: and there's always a luck factor involve
moralsareforme: i dont see why mobility just isnt tweaked
moralsareforme: would be much more simple
AlphaOmega206: but my idea doesnt sound so bad does it?
moralsareforme: im not sure
moralsareforme: i think it should be universal to all classes, like AR is
moralsareforme: attack rating is.
AlphaOmega206: and dodge would be different from defend
moralsareforme: even a mage can sever **** if their AR is high enough
AlphaOmega206: if you successful dodge your opponent will miss you, if you successfully defend, your opponent will blow will be reduced by 60%
AlphaOmega206: or something like that
AlphaOmega206: it would provide an alternative to people who like to defend in battles rather than hack hack hack
AlphaOmega206: hey you mind if i copy and paste this conversation to the idea board?
AlphaOmega206: in the forum?
moralsareforme: yeah just as long as you keep the parts about me saying that i think it should be universal to all classes, like AR is
AlphaOmega206: lol, k




well there you have it. Say hi to dodge and defend

lemme guess... you and weemster?

Thats certainly adding to the discussion.

Please people, if you don't have anything to add to a thread, don't post at all.

that doesn't really add much either y'know..

I agree with Weems. Capping AC, but not AR, is unwise. As for Lingo's point about mobs not being able to hit you eventually, well, currently you can't miss them, and you can beat the crap out of them in very short order, so why shouldn't you be able to dominate them defensively as well as offensively? Oh and....unless something's changed since I last calculated, each effective point of ac costs 2250 enchant space. That means, it would cost 675,000 enchant space to enchant 300 points of ac. Three things to point out about that: 1) If someone works hard enough to get sufficient level and quality of equipment that they have 675,000 enchant space, they deserve to enchant 300 ac if they want to. 2) If ac remains capped, that player will just enchant 675,000 enchant space worth of ar and damroll(or maybe resists). Instead of being unhittable, they will slaughter any opponent in a couple of seconds(or less). 3) Once you reach a level where you have that much enchant space, the mobs likely have extremely high ar anyways(although, with the current epic mobs, they have too much dr and damroll, and too little ac and ar at all levels). If you fight, say, e2000(Lingo's stated goal) mobs with ac capped at 100....well, you can guess what will happen.

For players, you have to compare this 300 ac player to other players with 300 ac worth of enchant space. They will have similar stats, and the fight will likely resemble fights between lower-powered characters who have less than 100 ac and ar each; a natural balance. Capping ac disrupts this balance, which is why fights are currently "jab <opponent> head" spammed by both players until the opponent's head falls off, at which point the severing player wins.

For mobs, a player who is of sufficient epic level to have that much enchant space will gain pitifully small amounts of xp from each epic mob, and will need to be able to kill tons of them quickly and efficiently in order to level at something approaching a decent rate(remember the days of 15 xp per mob for you, Lingo?). When you have to kill 300 of them in a row, and lose massive amounts of xp if you lose even once, you can't afford for it to be anything remotely resembling "fair".



Oh and. according to you, Lingo, it is impossible to make MP eq past level e400....if that is true, 300 ac is either impossible, or would require you to accept ar and damroll which are absurdly low compared to your other stats.

i didnt think anyone would take my 300 mobility litterally.
also, alot of my equ are e400 (yes i made or purchased them).