Dark Legacy MUD Forum

First of all, I'll say that it's nice to be able to have so many commands for us to jail people, based on their actions and the end result.

However, alot of the time, we're unable to do certain things without the assistance of a Caretaker. This includes: pardoning people and releasing them from their shackles (which has to be done by a Caretaker because when the person is pardoned, they aren't released), charging someone with harassment, etc.

Perhaps JC should be able to jail people with minimal assistance of a Caretker, all with a note posted at the JC board which we all are doing anyways (well, most of us, I notice some people are jailed without a note).

i agree, i think that the options that JG have is very limited. JGs will perform better if they had more choices to pick.
Sometimes we give criminals highly justificed assult simply because we can't find anything else that is suitable for the case.

to JGs only: what other options do you think we should have in addition to the ones that we already have?

A few of them that I really see a need for:

botting - either from observation or from someone within our guild/group suggesting it or saying they've witnessed it. besides, we already have the option (providing that someone has a log when they go to prove it).

law breaking - violation of laws set forth already (refusal to change name, monopolizing mobs, etc).

harassment (include the different forms since there's different kinds - sexual, profanity, negavtive/unwanted attention, etc).

you guys are not ready for it yet

proof - the little incident with that player crimsun, yeah, he got out of hand, but only after the players online continued ridiculing him in a fashion that was very aggressive.
Theres a right way and a wrong way to handle players which are doing something wrong, the method used was to instantly put the player on the defensive, causing him to fight back. It ended poorly.

A better way would have been to say, (private tells) ok crimsun, the reason why you cant use crimsun is because theres a monster with a very similar name, and it will end up getting you in trouble.
Which would then be followed by helpful suggestions on names to use.

this was not the case, instead it was an all out war, involving death, and much global insulting.

Next - I agree, pardoning /could/ possibly happen, as most/some of you are ready for that, but it will be a little while yet before i am confinced the players are ready to pardon each other.

Isabelle, you have not adressed the other one.

Releasing a player from shackles who was pardoned by a player after they were sent to jail.

If any of those are a must, that one is.

The imms have said that the reason pardoning doesn't remove from shackles is to prevent people from playing with the justice system by reporting/pardoning their friends.

That doesnt adress it either.

I'm just telling you they probably won't do that

And I'm telling you that that's stupid.

Let Isabelle speak for herself please.

Well I have asked immortals before, and that was their response to me. I think it would be good if JG had the ability to release pardoned criminals from their shackles, but they should also be able to jail someone who tries to abuse this.

I don't even see how it's possible to abuse it.

Its not really abuse, but more of just bogging down the justice system (although it is pretty slow and they should have the time...) by getting them to jail your friend, then after your friend is jailed, you pardon him and ask for him to be released. Once or twice this would be acceptable, but when you're repeatedly doing it, it's just wasting the time of the JG and should be punished appropriately.

pardon is pardon, it does not matter what they are being pardoned for, the mud doesnt care.


once i feel the players have matured enough to handle the responsibility, i will then discuss it with celeborn.

Which is never.

most of the justice council members are pretty much there, it's the jc members who dont really do anything that i worry about

And next you know, someone mentions the idea of JC being able to invade hamlets without warrants. Down with the Man!

The JC is already destroying Zeraphin's masterful responses to Isabelle!!! Down with the Man!

being able to invade structure to jail them could be abused far too easily... i have talked to celeborn about this and he suggested being able to 'summon' players out.

Summoning them out? What fun is that?

It doesn't have to be fun but it gets the job done

If someone wants to sit in their citadel and hide, let them. There are always non-citadel areas where they can hide without having JC get to them which are non-summon. Maybe give the JC an option to vote_silence a criminal. Then all hiding in their citadel would do is basically having them be in jail without being in jail.

i'd do that... then i could just work on crafts the whole time

Well it keeps you from commiting other crimes, and isn't that the point of jail?

i thought the point of jail was to punish

My question is Isabelle, if you feel JG's aren't mature enough to take on the additional responsibilities, then why are they STILL a part of the sytem? I have lost respect for JG, (system, not players in general), because it has failed to rule out those who shouldn't be JG and I, like a few others, could seriously name one.

I agree with Lingolas, it's quite frustrating because of how limited we are. I understand the immy's reservations on the matter, and it all comes back to my main question stated above.

To answer your question Lingolas, we should be able to pardon at will, and if a JG is caught making an unsound judgement, then that person is given a warning, then removed. We should also have other options such as Distubring the Peace for public channels, Slandar (was recently pissed off for a rescent incident), harrasment (sexual..etc.), abused profanity, Provoking a Player to commit a crime, Duty unbecoming of a JG officer (would entail Caretaker approval), Stealing, Resistance to Arrest (hiding out of any sort)..etc.