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Author:  rfive [ Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Log-off after more than 20 consecutive identical commands
Being logged off after hitting the same command 21 times is REALLY annoying. :evil: Especially when practicing sharpen or foraging, and even when you master sharpen you have to do it 25 times in a row. While I would LIKE for this to be removed entirely, I understand it's to cut down on botting. At the least, could it be upped to 26 or 27 commands in a row? This would allow for the 25 in a row used to sharpen a weapon, and if you do 27 would allow for an extra one in case they are sharpening rapidly and hit an extra sharpen after they're done.

Thank you very much,
Shen ^_^
Author:  Dourht [ Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:47 am ]
Post subject: 
learn to put "look" in randomly every so often when you use repeated commands. Thats what i do.
Author:  rfive [ Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:09 pm ]
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I do too, but my point is that you shouldn't have to. A lot of people find it annoying, and while it prevents botting, just raising the number would make it a LOT less annoying.

Shen ^_^
Author:  Jerardo [ Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:44 pm ]
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I also find this annoying. If a person bots, more likely it'll be a lot more than 20 consecutive commands; even so, there are ways around this useless-bot-preventing method to bot. I'd like to see this raise to at least 40 for convenient purposes.
Author:  ShanaArkai [ Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:01 pm ]
Post subject: 
ive botted for 7 or 8 hours before without it affecting me, so.... no real point in it at all
cept to annoy people
Author:  rfive [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Caretakers: the players agree.
See? Even the botters admit it does nothing to them, and it annoys EVERYBODY. Caretakers, please, I beg without shame: just get rid of it. Raising it is nice, but if it's not doing jack to the botters, which is what I was led to believe is it's purpose, is has no purpose and should be destroyed. If it has another purpose, please let us know, but we still, I think, would all like to see it raised at the least. It is also very annoying when foraging, as well as sharpening. Oh, and chopping wood. Crafts in general often require repetitive commands, and the command limit actually gives botters HELP because people who just "up arrow" "enter" manually lose count, but the botters have an automatic look inserted, and computers don't lose count.

Thank you very much,
Shen ^_^
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Author:  Dourht [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:47 am ]
Post subject: 
Haha You've got a point
Author:  rfive [ Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Okay Kia
Alright, so it's to prevent spamming, not botting. Would you mind raising the bar? And if someone is spamming like that with a trigger, wouldn't they just trigger a look on the 19th time and keep going? And doesn't spamming get you banned?

Anyway, I've already admitted I know MUDs but not DL very well. I would just appreciate raising it to like 30...at least enough to sharpen a weapon without stopping or getting booted; 25. People come and sharpen weapons for new players all the time to help them out, and it seems unfortunate that they can be booted if they lose count.


Thank you,
Shen ^_^


P.S. That was HILARIOUS, Kia. ^_^
Author:  Jerardo [ Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:36 am ]
Post subject: 
That would be annoying yes, but the 20 commands would STILL let spam happen. Next to that, spamming like that doesn't actually happen... (not that I've seen) before a caretaker takes action.
Author:  rfive [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Sharpen
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
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** PUT A LID ON IT! **
*grumbles, logs back in*
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
This is my sharpen.
This is my--This weapon is as sharp as it's going to get!
This player needs to get a lot shaper, too, and quit using the same command 20 times in a row!
D'OH!

Shen ^_^
Author:  Isabelle [ Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:12 am ]
Post subject: 
hi Rfive :) The other players will be happy to help you out with showing you what types of "mud clients" they use to play.
(The especially-designed mud clients have all sorts of nifty things in em, including spam protection to ensure you never get kicked again)
(all you need to do is enable it at 20)

Have a great day!
Author:  rfive [ Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Yeah, I know
Isabelle, I hear it's impressive to hear from you, and I am honored. I believe Kia's exact words were "Holy ****!" I have had the same advice from almost every single one of my clanmates despite having explained again and again why I don't. I do aliases. I've played Mushclient for 2 years and used triggers, so I don't need help figuring out how. I used to use them on other games to auto-cast buffs when they ran out, but I have those effects permanently from items here, and combat triggers are botting. I don't bot. Even setting up a trigger to count up to 19 of any action and then look is botting, albeit not illegally so. But I love this game so much I do everything by hand, even boring crafting skills.

Love to Dark Legacy,
Shen ^_^
Author:  Isabelle [ Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:23 pm ]
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If spam protection is built into whichever client you use, it would simply be a matter of setting it to the proper value. And as long as you are true to yourself, you need not worry about botting. (Unless of course, if you don't want the temptation to be in front of you) :) In which case, it's quite alright.

the 20 limit spam protection is old old old code, back from a much earlier, mystical time. Back then, we didn't have fancy shmancy trigger clients, so the code served a few goals:

1) old keyboards sticking, it happened, and it was sometimes nice to be able to get kicked off when you had the enter key stuck or something. (or the kill whatever command going off a thousand times) Closing off the program worked too, assuming you were in a windowed type of operating system.

2) silly 12 year olds who liked to logon and spam alot, you'd get the 20 spams, then they get booted, and you get a reprieve for about 2 minutes before it started up again :) Or pray for divine intervention to appear :)

So realistically, the coder wouldn't have a trouble with removing it, but it's been with the mud so long, it's almost like cutting off a toe or something :( albeit, a somewhat useless toe.. maybe like a 6th toe... sniff

Happy MUDing!
Author:  Zidane [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:16 pm ]
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:lol: i say let just cut of the toe and paint on a new toe :lol:
    Question of the day:
When was smaug codes born? what year :?:
Author:  Isabelle [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:20 am ]
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depends on what you consider as its birth...

1979 was when muds in general came into being
1990 was when the Dikumud family was started (which is what smaug was eventually created off of)

(which, by the way, if you are interested, Dikumud was created in Denmark)

Smaug, and its friends, such as Silly, and Circle and others were created after 1990, i believe Smaug started up in 1994

Derek Snider was the creator of that one.

I believe it was 2 years later that he opened the code up to the general public, which is probably when the GNU license thingy was setup with it.
Author:  Kiasyn [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:14 am ]
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SMAUG has a license, but it has nothing to do with the GNU license. In fact, I don't think they're compatiable.
Author:  rfive [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Nice history
This is where I would usually bring up Zork, but I've noticed something rather disturbing: this relatively useless post has gotten two replies in one night and has a fairly long thread. I found the switch for autolook, the thread has gotten rather off topic, and it's already been admitted that the code could easily be removed and is useless but is left in for sentimentality.

Why doesn't this happen to my post about how Rogues have had an entire skill shut off? I have 1 practice left and 1 skill, and I not only can't practice the skill because it's been disabled, I can't spend it on learning a little Phasian (the only language I haven't mastered). I can't spend it, period, unless steal gets replaced.

Sure, the fact that pixie was changed to sylvan except for on the characters sheets is annoying, but at least it exists.

Rogues have a skill that does not exist, and it is one of the most important skills they have. I am fine with it being disabled because of PVP abuse, and have heard many suggestions about use only against mobs (which is equally abusable). I would like to have a replacement.

Kia has already talked about doing something about it, but I haven't gotten a single reply on that thread...so I'm reposting the problem here.

Steal is gone. If warriors suddenly had equilibrium taken away, they would demand a replacement. I don't know why more Rogues haven't spoken up, but I want a replacement for Steal.


Shen
Author:  Dourht [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:07 am ]
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Uh you already started a thread on that topic, you dont need to bring it into another.

http://forums.dark-legacy.com/viewtopic.php?t=1507

In case you forgot
Author:  Zidane [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:06 pm ]
Post subject: 
commands?

why not just smile once in a while and be happy your not going to get log off. Instead of grumbling and logging back on. You should smile after 8 command. Maybe im insane to smile after doing the same thing over and over. trust me on this one, just smile once in a while and your never get log off again. 8)

    :arrow: your friend Zidster

:wink:
Author:  Dourht [ Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:29 pm ]
Post subject: 
OMG. Zidane you should just stop posting altogether.
Author:  rfive [ Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  I know
I know I started that thread, but it went dead and this one is alive and getting posts. Since we're on to relatively useless conversation, I was hoping to change the subject to something important that's being ingored. Thanks for the link, Dourht.

Looking around in paranoia instead of smiling,
Shen ^_^
Author:  Isabelle [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:12 pm ]
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Kiasyn wrote:
SMAUG has a license, but it has nothing to do with the GNU license. In fact, I don't think they're compatiable.


yup, i think you're right, i think the licenses are just proprietary licenses that say you can use the code, but to just remember to give the proper kudos. For some reason i associated it with GNU.
Author:  Zidane [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:12 pm ]
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Dourht wrote:
OMG. Zidane you should just stop posting altogether.
get a job bro :twisted:
Author:  Dourht [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:17 am ]
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Lol i do have a job, thank you very much. I work in construction for 12 hours a day, 5 days a week. I probably work harder than most people here.
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